jimmy
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Post by jimmy on Dec 31, 2017 7:58:31 GMT -8
Now I see 34 amps at 27volts full direct sun drawing about 800 watts inside. 20 amp breaker didn't trip.
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jimmy
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Post by jimmy on Dec 31, 2017 8:55:07 GMT -8
Drawing 1550 watts inside. Full sun seeing pv 1028 watts up to 40amps. at 25.1 volts. Why not 1500 watts on pv?
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Post by tattoo on Dec 31, 2017 11:47:07 GMT -8
Full sun today little worried about the Amperage. I put a 20@ breaker from the solar to controller. I was watching it and it popped up to 20.8 amps. I thought with 3 sets of 5 100 watt panels it should only be 3 times 5.29 amps or 15.9 amps put out by panels. The 4 batteries at 24 volts were at 27 volts at the time and I was using 500 watts inside. Real happy with the upgrade lots more energy with the 4 batteries. Thanks for the tip. 20a breaker is way to small for your setup.. You need at least a 60a.... Yes you need a shut off between your panels and the CC and one from the CC and the batteries and one from the batteries and the inverter... Also you need fuses between them all.. I told you needed more batteries unlike what bird told you... Your battery setup was way to small and you could add more if you wanted with 1500w of panels..... Your welcome and Happy New years...
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Post by tattoo on Dec 31, 2017 11:48:10 GMT -8
Drawing 1550 watts inside. Full sun seeing pv 1028 watts up to 40amps. at 25.1 volts. Why not 1500 watts on pv? Sun angle I would bet and trees....
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Post by jimmy on Dec 31, 2017 15:35:36 GMT -8
New inverter second day of use. Fan now stays on will not shut off. Shut it off for 5 minutes it comes right back on. Its cold here and I am only using 40 watts. It has run for 3 hours straight. Tattoo I was told by renogy I would need a 20 amp fuse for the pv 3 banks of 5 was supposed to b 3 times 5.29 amps or 15.9 amp. thus a 20amp fuse. How do you figure?
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Post by tattoo on Dec 31, 2017 16:24:31 GMT -8
My 500w inverter fan runs constant when my fridge comes on but not anything less.. My 2000w never comes on so I guess your inverter is being taxed by your usage.. What kind of inverter do you have? It might be a bad one.. or a cheap one.. Renogy told me with a 60a CC you need a 60a fuse.. It's for a surge protection not use.. At least that's what I understand.. But I don't believe anything Renogy says anymore... It depends on who you are talking to at Renogy with what answers you get.. But what I have read you need 60a fuse for a 60a CC...
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Post by jimmy on Jan 1, 2018 4:45:02 GMT -8
I have a 60amp breaker between batteries and the charge controller. But 20 amp breaker between the pv and controller. I use breakers to serve as fuses and shutoffs. I hope that is ok. It makes sense to me the less breakups the less cost and problems. I am going to put a shutoff between battery and inverter. The pv should only be putting out 15.9 amps. 3 groups of 5 100 watt panels in series parallel. The voltage should be 5x22. The amps should be 3x 5.29. Perhaps its the stupid controller reading like the sos. It just shouldn't be. I installed 3000 watt JN-H pure inverter from echo worthy- dc house the fan is so loud on the second day it decides to stay on all the time as cold as it is under no load. Its going back.
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Post by rabird on Jan 1, 2018 8:58:17 GMT -8
Drawing 1550 watts inside. Full sun seeing pv 1028 watts up to 40amps. at 25.1 volts. Why not 1500 watts on pv? Jimmy, you keep just post parts of the info. 1028w divided by the input voltage = amps input Is input voltage 3X22 or 66v? No, what is the input voltage, it should be 5 times the panels Vmp or higher if cold. If I assume 90v input voltage then 1028/90 is ~11 amps. Full suns needs to strike the panel at 90 degrees for full panel output and the panels need to be cool, as cool as spec conditions Please note you are using more than you make.
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Post by tattoo on Jan 1, 2018 9:43:31 GMT -8
Drawing 1550 watts inside. Full sun seeing pv 1028 watts up to 40amps. at 25.1 volts. Why not 1500 watts on pv? Jimmy, Please note you are using more than you make. Yes sir he is... That's why I said he needs to figure out exactly what he is using then what he is making and only use half of that or get more panels...
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Post by jimmy on Jan 1, 2018 14:52:13 GMT -8
Rabird I thought I gave it in the past. I put it all here. I have 15 100 watt panels. They put out 22v each. They are in series of 5 each group has 110 volts and I checked each group and that is what it puts out. Each panel has 5.29 amps. Each group of 5 in series will still produce 5.29 amps. Three groups of 5 will equal 15.9 amps. I hope this clarifies it. I am just learning this stuff. I may have something wrong. I did late see 1125 watts. It was a perfect sunny day no trees though I am only at about 20 degrees. I drew 1600 watts to test it out. I don't plan on doing that normally. I am sending the 3000 watt inverter back. I reinstalled my 1500 watt inverter. Thanks for all your help. I hope you look over my figures and correct me if I am wrong. I don't know anybody that has solar. All I know is what I read and hear. I did see 40 amps on the solar controller Don't know how it could be correct. I have a 20 amp breaker on pv to controller it should have tripped. Maybe it was reading what the inverter was producing appreciate your input. Thanks Tattoo.
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Post by tattoo on Jan 1, 2018 15:00:51 GMT -8
Jimmy, How many watts total are you using in a day?? Do you have a kill-a-watt meter that is between your inverter and your electrical panel or what ever goes to your house... You really need to know what you are using in a day... I'm using 496kw on average in a 24 hour day and I'm making on average 1.1kwh a day... That's just right with a little to spare...
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Post by rabird on Jan 1, 2018 15:40:25 GMT -8
Jimmy, when reporting a panel output like 1028watts also post panel voltage. The panels can make 22v but that is at ZERO amps. Your panels Vmp should be ~18v so I used 5 X 18 = 90v. Now when you see input voltage of 110-120v that is because the CC is limiting power cuz you are not using it and/or the batteries do not need all that can be make. Remember the charge profile in the manual, when the batts get to 14.6v (x2 for 24v) the CC limits power to keep em at 14.6v for some period of time, and the CC further and further limits power, the batts won't take any more but you can use this excess! if you want to! So now we take you wattage input reading of 1125 watts (you are using enough and the batts are discharged enough to take all the panel power). the 1125 watts is @ ~90v so you divide 1125/90 and ya get 12.5As (that won't blow a 20A fuse). If ya got 1500 watts / 90v = 16.6Amps. So 1125 watts enter the controller @ 90v, internally it is 'bucked' to battery voltage of say 28v while charging. 1125 watts / 28v = 40 amps (this assumes 100% efficiency which is a poor assumption, maybe 90-95%). So ya got 12+ amps going in (90v) and 40 amps coming out (batt v), both ~1100 watts. 2 Things a MPPT controller does, makes the panels operate @ Vmp and 'bucks' or transforms this to batt v for charging. From the sticker below your Vmp of 18.9v spec so 5 x 18.9v = ~95v, less on hot days, more of COLD days!! 1500 watts / (5*18.9) = 15.87A 15.87A / 3 strings = 5.29 A. That would be spec
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Post by rabird on Jan 1, 2018 16:09:18 GMT -8
here's the data from a local weather station, panels are speced (STC) @ 1000 but it looks like this collector (horizontal as in flat) only received a max of less than 600, 1000-1100 in the summer is typical for a blue sky day on a flat panel locally with the sun straight up. That means a flat panel at the peak of the day would make ~55% of rated power.
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Post by tattoo on Jan 1, 2018 16:09:35 GMT -8
Well Jimmy by what bird said you are doing just fine and you could add two more batteries to be even more efficient...
Question, Are you running just one CC the 60a like mine with your 15 panels?? Or are you running the 40a also?? A total of 2 CC?
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Post by tattoo on Jan 1, 2018 16:11:48 GMT -8
here's the data from a local weather station, panels are speced (STC) @ 1000 but it looks like this collector (horizontal as in flat) only received a max of less than 600, 1000-1100 in the summer is typical for a blue sky day on a flat panel locally with the sun straight up. That means a flat panel at the peak of the day would make ~55% of rated power. WOW now that is a really helpful and interesting graph... Really it is...
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